tv Piers Morgan Tonight CNN February 10, 2012 3:00am-4:00am EST
i said, this is what it's about. it's about regaining the humanity they lost, and the sooner they can regain it, the faster they'll heal when they come home. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> we welcome your feedback about carl. on that note, here is piers morgan tonight. one man's gone head to head with presidents, politicians and scoundrels around the world. tonight, dan rather on the santorum surge, president obama and the crisis in the middle east. also inside the mind of a dictator. responsible for the slaughter of his own people and what about his british-born wife? plus, an all-american hero. gabriel giffords wants this man to replace her in the house. here's his own remarkable story. ivan ka trump's ideas. >> a lot of trouble we got in to was by leveraging up assets and flipping things.
>> and the burning question i just had to ask about her father. >> be honest, have you ever had a word with him about his hair? also, only in america, could a 6'3" asian american kid from harvard come off a bench and save a nba team. why everyone in new york has lynn sanity. this is "piers morgan tonight." >> good evening. a cry country in crisis. police a cinderella story to only happen in america. we begin with presidential politics. rick santorum blasting barack obama on middle eastern policy. >> imagine a president obama with four years and no one to be accountable to. imagine what he can do. imagine what damage and destruction he can do internationally. to our friend israel. who stands and pleads with us to help.
>> here now to talk about the republican race and the humanitarian crisis in syria, a man that's reported from all over the world. dan rather. welcome back. >> glad to be back. >> you have covered many presidential races. put it in some perspective for me. everyone's saying this is incredible, never happened before. people surging here, dropping out before and so on and so on. that really true, or is this like every other presidential race? >> no, this is not not like every other presidential race. this is the fiercest fight for the republican nomination that i can recall, certainly tough fights for as fierce. secondly, this is by far the most expensive campaign already. when we finish this presidential campaign, when all's totalled up, this will be close to a $3 billion presidential campaign and what's different about this campaign is the superpac money that's say money that can be given from individuals, from corporations that is not traceable.
much of it is secret and pouring in to races. santorum, with a comeback the other night with three wins in missouri, minnesota and colorado, is beginning to get real money. this translates in to a republican race for the nomination, that's likely to go at least until the middle of may, perhaps middle of june and the possibility of these nominees, these candidates going to the republican convention in august and still none of them have enough votes to get over the 1,144 delegates needed to win. >> now, there are two schools of thought about this, dan. one is that the longer it goes on the better for barack obama. looks like the party can't decide who are the opponent should be against him and the other school of thought based on what happened to brack obama is a battle in your own party hardens up the eventual candidate. which side do you sit on?
>> this is true that barack obama is much more cautious, much more willing to compromise and cut what seemed to be his principles. and this is hurt him, hurt him within his own party. you can say, well, those in his own party won't vote republican but they won't go to the polls. he's been making efforts to do that. example would be the state of the union address. but so far he's still got a tough time within his own party. now, he expected and those at the white house expected that mitt romney would be the nominee. i suspect that they still believe romney is likely to be the eventual nominee. but this has been such a topsy-turvy nomination process on the republican side that who knows how it's going to turn out? >> and i think there's something about rick santorum's demeanor at the moment that makes me think he believes he's got a chance and i suspect he suspects
that the party isn't as in love with mitt romney has it should be and that they're looking really for a more traditional conservative and the religious aspect is significant, too. he was straight in to a church yesterday. having a group prayer session for the cameras clearly signaling i'm a more traditional reigious kind of guy. >> exactly right. number one, let me clearly state if you have to bet the rent money, you have to bet that mitt romney is likely to be the republican nominee. santorum in my mind is basically running to be the vice presidential nominee. and he's helped himself tremendously in recent days but what you say is true. santorum has the smell of triumph, smell of victory in the nostrils. he believes that as time goes along, newt gingrich will be knocked out or made irrelevant, head to head with romney and the party will turn to him as a quote true conservative and the
plus that he can take some of the roman catholic votes from the industrial northeast with him. and be pal pa latible in the south. you can marg that's a pipe dream for santorum, being the vice presidential nominee on the ticket is probably the best he can realistically hope for. we have seen so many surprises in this nominating process, again, who can say? who knows? i say that romney is still likely to be the republican nominee. but santorum is now making his fingernails sweat. >> let's turn to syria, dan. obviously, a hell of a mess there. media coverage is sporadic because of the nature of so few journalists on the ground. what do you think america should be doing right now about this? >> well, it's a real rubik's cube that what i think america should be doing, not that anybody should care, is, one, increasing the pressure all ways and anyways possible for diplomatic pressure, for
sanctions, for the freezing of assets, the banning of travel, and making it so far as possible syria an international pariah. it is not easy to do and true, piers, as you well know with your contacts in washington in some quarters the war drums are beating. a school of thought saying, listen. it's win or lose. either assad is going to stay in power or he isn't and either the russian-iran-hezbollah support will prevail or we the united states and the other allies prevail. however -- this is one reason ron paul continues to do reasonably well in the republican race, he says in essence this is madness. we don't need another war. we don't want another war. we can't afford another war. and if you went to war in syria, if you went with a military option, there's no telling where it would lead. about that, my own personal opinion is he's probably right.
american public opinion is not going to be behind any big military intervention in syria. i come back to what can be done. strangle, maybe slowly, strangle the assad regime and two questions about the assad regime are as follows. one, can a face-saving exit be arranged for assad? will russia give him wheel status? maybe iran. if assad goes, who and what will come in to his place? that's an unanswerable question. this is a real tough one. likely to be an issue insofar as anything referring foreign policy in the campaign deeper in the year because the problem is not going to get easier. it is going to get a lot tougher. >> what should the american administration be doing about russia and china who have acted with pure self interest? they're concerned about similar upriings i would imagine in their own backyards and refusing
to go along with what's otherwise a pretty you fan mouse from the international coalition. what should america do in relation to those two countries and the position they have taken? >> two different countries, russia and china. china has been a little more hesitant, reluctant to get involved in this but they have. they have sided basically with the assad regime. with russia, what needs to be done is needed to be done for a very long time. is the united states needs to reboot its relationship with russia. u.s.-russian relations as my friend steve cohen continued to point out, our relations with russia are very poor and trying to do business with them we get pretty much a blank wall. no mistake. russia and iran particularly, china, somewhat on the side, are clearly trying to keep assad in power. the two most important countries and governments for the u.s. to listen to in my personal opinion
is just a personal opinion are turkey and surprise qatar. it's a minuscule country but it fights well above the weight class in international terms. and whatever the united states is going to do, vis-a-vis assad and syria needs to be done with the turks and the qatars. >> dan rather, as always, fantastic clarity on a complex situation. i appreciate you coming back. come back again soon. >> thank you very much, piers. >> thanks, dan. as the assad regime's crackdown pushes syria in crisis, the british-born first lady has disappeared from the comment eye. the only comment this week saying and quote, the president is the president of syria, not a faction of syrians and the first lady supports him in that role. one of the last western writers to speak to her is joan juliet bach. she profiled her last year and joins me now. thank you very much for joining me, joan.
what do you make of what's happening in relation to the first lady popping up now and offering her support in this way? >> it seems incongress, piers, and off the mark and the statement doesn't make much sense. >> when you interviewed her, when you interviewed her, what sense did you get about her as a woman and her place in the syrian hierarchy? >> what was most interesting is that she was born -- went to queens college, kings college. i grew up in england. she was a very familiar figure. my best friend in school was a daughter of a syrian stockbroker in london. she was an english woman. an english woman i was talked to married to the president of syria. and so to -- you know, for us westerners to look at somebody who's syrian, she is western, english. the regime trying to downplay the englishness.
there was a -- they didn't want me to give her english name which was emma. that's what she was called in school. and i found her very, very dedicated to these youth centers which she had started. and she said that they were to teach -- to empower young people to create a civil society themselves in syria. and she took me to one of the youth centers. yeah? >> you have found her genuinely caring when you went with her on these trips, so there's clearly a huge conflict between what you saw then with her and what is now happening and many people say it's a kind of slaughterhouse from her husband to many of the same children. >> it seems a crazy disconnect. he took me to one of these centers. there were simply teenagers, you know, wearing sweaters.
it was a cold december night. crawling all over her, asking her questions, asking me questions. she was very at ease with them. she really took them on. got in to real conversations with them. and she -- 'schenn said, this is what i care about the most. and because she's a banker, she talks about the antiquity of syria being its hardware and the people being its software and she said what's important here is the software. and these kids are the software. so to go from seeing her with these children, to seeing photos of this hamsa -- who was tortured and mutilated and killed and whose body given back to his parents in may, you wonder, this is the first lady of a country where this happened? where this is happening to teenagers. where kids are being slaughtered. where mourners at funerals are being slaughtered. and where the president goes on television and says this isn't really happening.
it's profoundly disturbing to have even been near people who are so disconnected. >> you met the president during your interview. what was your take on him personally? >> what was kind of an inadvertent. i didn't want to do the piece in the first place because i didn't really want to meet the assads or go to syria but when i went she said that she was going to cook lunch for me. and it was at their apartment. and there was assad. it was friday which is the muslim sunday. and he was wearing a sweater and he kept showing me his cameras and following me around and i got the feeling he wanted to be interviewed, as well. i wasn't going to ask him any of the questions. i could have asked him because i was in his home and i wanted to get out of there in one piece. i asked him why he became an eye doctor.
and he said that the reason he became an eye doctor was that it was very precise. it was never an emergency. and there was very little blood. and that's the quote that i used in the article. and nothing that he's done since then has proved that he's an eye doctor. >> what do you think is likely to happen? do you think the assads can just bat this will out or do you believe that international pressure in the end will lead to them being overthrown? >> you know, i'm not a political journalist. i told "vogue" they should send a political journal itself. they said they wanted a cultural piece. i was trained as an anthropologist. i don't draw a big international conclusions about things. i leave that to people far more qualified than i am. i don't know what's going to happen. i cannot believe the bravery of the syrian people who started
rising up in march and who have been consistently being heroic and brave and getting slaughtered at funerals and slaughtered in their homes as the regime claims that none of this is happening. and that it's foreign infiltration and armed terrorists from other country that is are causing this. i think the fortitude of -- sorry. >> it's completely outrageous. we have run out of time. that's a fascinating insight. thank you very much, indeed. >> thank you, piers. when we come back, an american hero and might just win gabriel giffords' seat in congress. so who ordered the cereal that can help lower cholesterol and who ordered the yummy cereal? yummy. [ woman ] lower cholesterol. [ man 2 ] yummy. i got that wrong didn't i? [ male announcer ] want great taste and whole grain oats that can help lower cholesterol? honey nut cheerios.
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entering the race to replace her. ron barber was there and wounded himself. ron barber joins me now. mr. barber, welcome. >> thank you very much for having me tonight. >> i love, i love the inspiration of this story. i love the fact that you just like gabby giffords fought back from this appalling day last january and ready to put service ahead of anything else you might want to do. tell me about this decision. why did you come to it? >> well, the decision really started when congresswoman giffords looked right at me and said, ron, will you run? i told her it was a decision i have to think a lot about, a lot of considerations. my family.
my own well being in terms of doing this and whether it was right for the district. very hard to say know to krn giffords. i've never said no to her in my life working together five years. but i went away from the conversation and gave it considerable thought, finally i was able to say to her, congresswoman, i will do that. and i'll be proud to run for the seat that you have vacated. >> tell me about the injuries that you suffered on that awful day. >> well, i was shot twice, once in the face and that bullet went through my cheek, down my cheek inside of it and within a millimeter of the carotid artery. the other injury was in my leg, my left leg, a bullet went through the thigh and receivered the femoral vein and lost quite a bit of blood there on the ground outside of the safe-way. i was very fortunate as many of
us were as citizens heroes came to our rescue and mine was anna ballis. she staunched the bleeding. so that's what happened and i've been recovering ever since over the last year and two months, been getting stronger and really ready now to tackle an adventure i never thought i'd be on, quite frankly. i've never been interested in running for office. i dedicated my life to public service in various ways over the years and in the last five years working for the congresswoman. but i have decided that to honor her and her legacy and to try to do something for the people of southern arizona is a right thing to do right now. i feel ready to do it and announced my candidacy today. >> what is the spirit of america that you will be pushing to try? i suppose endure is the right word. you know, to keep alive. what is it that you want to
bring to the political system that maybe isn't there at the moment in enough quantity? >> well i really feel very strongly that the tone of our political discourse has gotten way out of control. certainly, we saw that in the 2010 election. and after i was shot and in the icu with my family, the first thing that came to me was, we have to do something if we can to change the tone. and so we established the fund for civility, respect and understanding. and we're launching several projects, they're under way. an anti-bullying program and a mental health program to bring civility and respect to the political process so if the campaign is about anything it is about civility and respect. but also, there's some really serious issue that is we need to tackle in our district and in our country and i want to dedicate myself to working across the aisle with republicans to do whatever i can to make sure we solve problems. there's been way too much bickering, way too much division and way too much yelling and
divisive conduct. we need to come together and congresswoman giffords is a great inspiration to that. casting the vote on the debt ceiling in august, we saw how people came together. albeit for a short time but the inspiration over the last year is america, we can come together and she said it in her resignation video, together we can solve problems. that's the spirit i want to take forward and she's a great model for me and many other americans. i hope i can serve in that way. >> well, she's been an astonishing woman in many ways i think and her heroism, fortitude and the inspiration she brings is touching to everyone i think in america. i'm sure a lot of this will follow with you because it's such an extraordinary story. what advice is gabrielle giffords given you about the challenge facing you in a potential election? >> i have just lost my microphone or earpiece.
i think it's here somewhere. find it. okay. i'm sorry. i lost the last part of your question. >> i was just asking you what advice gabrielle giffords may or may not have given you so far about the election challenge you're facing. >> well, you know, the advice that she's given me is advice that i have gotten from her over the last five years. we always should take the high road. we should always try to find a way to come together and solve problems. she's run and been successful on a very straightforward approach. let's find common sense solutions to the problems that face america. let's stop talking about it. let's stop bickering about it. let's get gown to solutions. my entire life in public service is about that, solving problems when i worked with people with developmental disabilities, before that and head start and other programs and the pattern i have tried to follow. never get in to the gutter. never try to demonize your
opponent. stick to the issues. and look for issues to come together and solve problems. i have learned from her tremendous amount over the last five years and hopefully that will stand me in good stead in this election campaign. >> well, ron barber, it's been a great joy to talk to you, i must say. i think it's an inspiring campaign. to many people, you are a true all-american hero. very much what makes america such a great country. i appreciate you coming on to tell me your plans and i wish you all the very best. >> it's very nice of you to have me and going to be hard work, short period of time. four and a half months beginning to end. i hope people reach out and support me. i have a website up and running www.ronbarberforcongress.com. looking good! you lost some weight.
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you know my next guest as an entrepreneur and business woman and daughter of donald trump. i know her as a board room judge on winning season of "celebrity apprentice." joining me now is ivanka trump. it's so nice to have you on the other side of the desk. >> i know. i'm horrified. >> i must -- >> i don't like this dynamic at all. >> please. >> i'm trying to -- >> terrible nightmares of you staring at me in that ice-cold way. trying to work out if i would be fired by your father. >> what was the meanest thing to you? not too bad. i quite liked you. >> slightly embarrassing for you. >> especially now given the timing. >> exactly, exactly. so, i was fascinated by the show and but the dynamic between donald trump who i had never met
really before this show invitded me in and then his family around him. and i always said to people, whatever you think of donald trump, what i was struck by was how normal -- >> yeah. >> -- you children were. how well adjusted. how lacking in some -- if you don't mind me saying of the traits your dad played up to. how much you loved your father and how close the bond was between all of you and what mutual respect there was. i don't think people give him enough credit for the family that he has around him or the way that you have all grown up together. tell me about this. >> i appreciate all of those things and when you started to say how normal, i thought you were going to talk about my father because i think people don't really always see him for what he is. and he is really a down to earth prn and i i think the "celebrity apprentice" humanized him. you see the side that's funny and jocular and -- >> very smart. people say what is he like? the board room scenes could take
three hours and play it like a concert violinist. never missing a trick. >> it's true. >> never scripted. just playing the flow, working out all of the ways of getting people to confront each other about the core issues and in the process working out who was the best business person. >> and i think that's why replicas of the show hosted by other people have failed. it's a special skill set to do that with a room of successful people so, you know, with celebrity apprentice, for example, everyone in that room had earned the right to be there by having long and successful careers in different fields so, but i guess going back to the earlier question, about the family, i think, you know, we try not to think about it in this that context and what i consider my brother and my lifestyle as normal. no. but i do think that -- >> i mean your personalities nigh a normal way. our parents wanted us to feel like we had responsibilities.
they wanted us to feel grateful and a work ethic and that's being passionate about what they were doing and i think to some degree that's infectious. >> do you get upset when people lampoon your father or criticize him? people love him and people seem to hate him. >> i do get defensive, of course. increasingly less and less and more because i see things and remarks roll off his shoulders. he's not somebody to take himself too seriously and not somebody that can't laugh with the best of them. i've realized that it's part of the game. he is a very public figure. arguably one of the most recognized brands on the face of the earth. and there's a personality behind that. there's -- so people will sometimes say things. what upsets me is when they're not based on fact. people have opinions and
opinions differ but i don't like when i see things that are just not based on fact. >> how much of the donald trump that people know from television and from when he does speeches or interviews on my show is how much of him in terms of degree of bombast, the bluster? i don't think it's arrogance but super self confidence. how much of that is really him? >> i think that also comes from a place of honesty. all of us and what we do and what we love doing and that primarily in the real estate place really feel that everything we're doing is the best. i mean, that's what we task ourselves with. when we build a new building, our objective to is to build something better than the market experienced before. if we didn't say that and believe that, we would have failed. >> is it almost a self fulfilling prophesy? the family in the business of driving this real estate global empire as it's become and it's all driven from your dad, i
guess, and his ethos and the way he is and self fulfilling in the sense the more he says we're the best at this in the world, the more buildings seem to go up with trump all over them. >> i don't think it's related in that way. i think, you know, why you see more and more trump is because we have a 30-year track record of successful execution in luxury real estate with tremendous value for people, because people who buy in one building want to buy with us again in another. because we overdeliver. you don't see us spend our money in marketing. our buildings. we put our money in to the buildings. and i think that all of the platforms available to us we utilize to promote those projects not spending advertising dollars in "the new york times" per se. >> take a little break and come back and talk about life growing up as a young trump. and life now as a grown-up trump. because you're supposed to have had a baby but you look to be as slim as the last time i saw you. you may have had a phantom baby.
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well, i think no matter what i hear about my parents, about my family, no matter what i read, the fact is that i'm absolutely, you know, proud to be a trump. there's some sort of pride in the fact that people would even take an interest in me just because i'm a part of them. >> that was a teenager ivanka trump in the 2003 hbo documentary "born rich." >> i'm distracted by the idea i thought it was good to dye my hair to black. i was not using great judgment but, you know. >> what was life like growing up in the trump house? your mother is very strong willed, confident character. i would imagine passionate, fiery, driven.
not dissimilar personalities either of your parents. >> they're very similar in that regard. they both have an incredible attention to detail, as well. and they both really inspire others so that's, you know -- and i think you have probably seen this with my father and my mother is similar but the people who work for both of them have so excited to be doing that and they find people and they cultivate them and, you know, they grow with the company over decades in many cases so, you know, i think that's really one of their special charms. >> have you ever had a word with him about his hair? >> no, i haven't. i haven't. too many other people have, you know? >> i like it. it's distinctive. >> i actually don't really see anything unusual at all. and in fact, i saw that bieber himself is now copying the 'do and he is never wrng. >> you think he's taking the donald look? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. i didn't have to say that. everyone else is.
>> let's turn to you and your business empire as part of the whole operation because you're traveling around the world all the time. you have a crazy schedule. >> yeah. >> pop up in brazil and australia and dubai and so on and so on. you have come out of your shell now to be a proper player in the organization when the u.s. went through a financial meltdown. what do you think has gone wrong with the american business mod snell. >> well, i think a lot of has gone wrong but not just necessarily with the american business model but globally. there wasn't a lot of restraint exercised. value wasn't created. the trouble we got in to is leveraging assets and flipping things for -- we were looking at a property the other day that zero money had been spent on improving the asset and traded four times over six years just at higher numbers increasingly like this until the music stopped so i think, you know, i think that's what we were seeing
domestically and across the world. i remember as a kid coming out of wharton hearing very intelligent, smart economists and professors and business people, as well, saying that the real estate bubble wouldn't burst because it wasn't a bubble and domestically prices would continue to rise. this is what people were saying which is shocking because, obviously, the his rice of the universe told us when anyone speaks like that it means -- >> always. the beginning of the end. >> the ax is coming. it was quite incredible. >> was it your father's talked to me about the time he nearly lost everything in the last really big crash that it really taught him proper lessons about business. >> yeah. >> and about how to survive periods like that. >> i think it's particularly incredible because many of his peers who learned those same lessons didn't recall them. and you saw that especially in the real estate space, that
people who had been through similar hardships in the early '90s and basically if you were in the business, if you were in the business of real estate back then, you would have experienced the same thing, they didn't learn this time around so i'm amazed and coming out of school, i was chomping at the bit to get going. it was an exciting time. everything was frothy and he practiced restraint and i'm not a buyer based on where value is and focused attentions wrels and we took a very, very conservative outlook and grew other businesses that didn't expose us in the same way other people were. >> right now, what was your sense about the economy, particularly in america? are you seeing the same green chutes that others are beginning to see? >> for us it's an exciting time because we're looking at the opportunity to buy assets, to buy assets that in many cases, you know, could use a lot of enhancements that were half built. >> for -- >> of course. ground up construction, not seeing the projects domestically. you can buy things less than the
cost of replacing them. those are the things that excite us and it's a very, very difficult climate to borrow money and the people who need to borrow money and don't have the capital find it incredibly difficult to do so so we're in a very good position. we have, you know, great lenders we work with and we're in the position to borrow which in real estate is great. >> are you as looking forward to another four years of barack obama as your father is clearly is? >> let's hope not. >> are you a die hard republican? >> i am -- i am vehemently against the policies. i don't know if -- what that makes me. i'm not a libertarian but i have, you know -- i really wanted obama to be successful. i had doubts like a lot of people had doubts when he came in to office but i wanted him to do a great job and i think that he hasn't.
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you guys have a goal in terms of fund-raising? >> yeah, we do. >> what is it? how much? come on, somebody has to hold your piece of the bar. an aggressive one. that's great. >> the new season of "excellent apprentice." >> it's so wonderfully dysfunctional. >> amazing. >> you have every person in that room. >> it's a very fun six weeks. >> let me ask you a straight question because there were moment i felt when i did the show that it's draining and so long for us. but for you who has this incredible business going everywhere else, how often do you think, i really want to be in dubai right now? >> it's interesting. this was filmed, i was looking at myself, as you were just showing that clip, filmed two and a half months after i gave birth.
it was actually very nice for a period of six weeks i couldn't travel. so you're really on lockdown. you're filming six days a week and we have to be here in new york. so this season, i was very, very thankful for the fact i wasn't able to go anywhere. it's the great excuse, for six weeks i can get out of any dinner commitm, any obligation. we're filmingprentice is the answer to everything. >> how is motherhood going? >> it's incredible. >> what is the ivanka trump video on how to get back in shape coming out? >> i thought you were going to ask about apparel. i think through the pregnancy, it's enough time to prepare yourself for what it's going to be like, but it's not, both for the good and the hard. the chaos, the sense of lackof equilibrium.
>> how is donald goelg? >> he's great. he's experienced at this point, so my older brother has three. this is the fourth. >> no diaper changing, right? >> zero. zero. my husband has yet to change a diaper. >> really? >> which is shocking because he's very hands on. he's definitely -- >> i'm surprised you're not cracking the whip. >> it's a source of pride at this point. he's not even against it. he just likes the fact he can say it. >> i have a clip to play for you from the finale when i won the apprentice. >> it would have been a short board room had you had a better bed side manner. >> you're talking about my bed side manner? >> but you lack right here, that's a great example of the tact that you lack. >> how did i know this would come back to haunt me? >> i loved that moment.
>> bed side table. >> you were determined not togo along with my lewd british humor. whatever it took. >> yes, that's true. i now -- time has proven me not to be so wrong. >> correct. >> as many of your guests realize coming on the show. you do have an interesting bedside manner, but that's why we love you. >> it's the british side of me. >> it made for compelling television. you were omarosa-escue. those fights were -- >> those were real. >> we had some of those this season. >> you deprived the contestants of sleep, you make them work 18 hour days, pit them again each other, but it's all for charity. every contestants as it goes on, becomes desperate to win. >> i was with a friend of mine who had a friend on the show, and that celebrity came to him
and was trying to raise money. started crying in his office about how she was concerned she was going to lose the challenge. that's the kind of intensity that makes the show so great. because the people on it are so fiercely competitive that yes, it's about charity, but they're just not programmed to lose. and yao mingal with that the total lack of a social light outside of being on the show, the incredibly grueling schedule, and it's very interesting. and it means that people can't be guarded. you know, initially, the first few days, people are on their best behavior, but after a while, that real personality shows in a way you would never see otherwise. >> you find out a lot about yourself. this is going to be a great season. thank you very much. a real pleasure. >> thank you. good to see you. >> ivanka trump, the more glamorous end of the trump market. >> more tact with each passing week. >> coming up, only in america. while new york basketball fans have a raging case of vinsanity.
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now to tonight' only america. move over, tim tebow. new york has a rager case of lin-sanity. jeremy lin, the asian american harvard grad who may be the most unlikely savior of a team. he ozcut by two teams in december, and then picked up in what could best be described with very, very low expectations. now, the three-point guard has general astonishment, three 20-point games, and the knicks are on a fire streak three-game winning run.
the partners in asia will start showing knicks games. and it's showing a clear sign that he's become a global phenomenon. he picked up 10,000 followers on his twitter account on monday. even the man himself seemed baffled by all this. this is what he said on the msg network. >> it hasn't sunk in, to be honest. i'm in shock about everything that happened. i'm trying to soak it all in right now. >> can't blame him, really. he's still sleeping on his friend's couch. i have one problem, he's absurd pregame hand shake. take a look. lin and teammate landry fields paging through a textbook, taking off glasses, and slipping them into the nerdiest of accessories, the pocket protector.